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Poster: Spuzz Date: May 10, 2004 4:46pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Yahoo Posting..

So the Yahoo group is still going, and there's quite a nice debate going THERE about the film as well.. This is quite an astounding post about the movie that I'd thought I'd share from Holly..

Well Bill, I couldn't peg the date exactly, but I'm saying there's no
reason it it should be assigned to an earlier year. It's not as if
everyone was wearing nehru jackets one season and then
*boom*, everyone has long hair and bellbottoms the next.
Looking at fashion today, who has that much money to replace
their entire wardrobe every season? Certainly not hippies.
Besides, these are presumably students or young trendy
professionals. Their look would be "off beat", as opposed to
"radical". It's more or less what the narrator says. The film is
aimed at the fashion industry and is probably a reaction to the
brilliant new polyesters with vivid colors and iron-free wearability
-- hence the focus on "comfort" and "casual" -- something
polyesters of the day lacked.

Of course here it's obvious that the fashions were provided by
designers. I don't think there is any pretense that this young
couple brought their own clothes to the shoot. It's not realism... At
the same time, I wouldn't say that the sponsor (Cotton Institute?)
is lagging horribly behind the times, but they would be reflecting
more of the peak of fashion, somewhere well behind the
bleeding edge. The scene where the guy goes to the clothing
store to try on a jacket, and the store where the girl tries on hats?
That's who this film was made for.

But it brings up a good point: the flower power movement
brought an image of the nomad, traveling festivals, naive
naturism, a lifestyle that required much more durable clothing....
Denim would be liberated from factory and farm workers to the
dominant fashion of the next decade and beyond. I wonder what
the cotten institute would say about bluejeans circa 1975? "Why
buy trendy fashions that change from season to season, when a
pair of bluejeans will last years!" Fashion designers were
probably outraged.

However, what I find more interesting than the fashions is the
description of GV as a "sleepy village" and "a suburban oasis".
Shots of midtown Manhattan are accompanied by car horns and
the narrator using words like "crowded" "seething" and "hectic",
despite beautiful shots of modern skyscrapers and smiling
office workers. Clearly Manhattan is a victim of suburban
propaganda (see films like THIS IS SUBURBIA). But even though
this film is trying to play on GV's reputation for bohemia as "a
step or two ahead" and "cosmopolitan", it goes to great lengths
to assure you GV is familiar and non-threatening, showing
Judsen Church (tho not the radical performance art happening
inside) and the quintescential symbol of the nuclear family:
barbeques. "Suburban living on an urban landscape". Har har
har. Where are the gaybars with sing-along drag shows? Where
are the beat poets? Oh well. At least there is some (haphazard)
racial diversity in the Washington Square Park sequence. Even
bongo and mandolin players.... Ya won't find that in suburbia.

It's all betrayed by the weird little interlude halfway through where
the narrator claims cotton is "romantic" and "of times past"
complete with harpsichord music. Probably another dig against
the ultra-modernism of polyester. This leads into more
patriotism and a litany of historic figures.... It's interesting to note
that in 1969 about a third of GV was protected by the Greenwich
Village Society for Historic Preservation ( http://www.gvshp.org ),
and of course GV was the battle ground between Robert Moses
and unlikely hero Jane Jacobs who fought and won to preseve
GV after the city had declaired it an ethnic "blight" and scheduled
its distruction in favor of a freeway. Perhaps - and this is a stretch
- the Cotton Institute saw a parallel in GV's preservation of
self-identity with it's own identity crisis in the wake of polyester,
and sought to re-invent itself as both defiantly radical and
historically valid.

holly

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Poster: GersonK Date: May 11, 2004 3:43am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Yahoo Posting..

Shots of midtown Manhattan are accompanied by car horns and
the narrator using words like "crowded" "seething" and "hectic",


Yeah, one of the my favorite narration/image disagreements in here is the "crowds of people" demonstrated with all of five cheerful and not very crowded looking office workers. (Unlike some of the disagreements, like the "winding streets" or the very title of the film, I suspect that one was an accident.)

despite beautiful shots of modern skyscrapers

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For my money there are beautiful examples of dull lifeless glass and steel skyscrapers. (I'll grant you the Empire state as a nice skyscraper, but that was already over 30 years old).

It's sort of interesting that while there's a number of contrasts between the "modern and synthetic" and the "natural and historic", they very much soft sell the link of "modern and synthetic" to their competition.

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Poster: Marysz Date: May 16, 2004 12:47am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Yahoo Posting..

Thanks for inserting Holly's posting. It's an excellent analysis of the film. I've been having problems logging onto Yahoo, so I don't have acess to the site. It would be great if all the relevant Yahoo postings to the films we discuss could be posted here also.

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Poster: Spuzz Date: May 16, 2004 10:14am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Yahoo Posting..

And vice versa? Is everyone okay with that? I'm GUESSING, though one can correct me on this, is that once you post it becomes somewhat public domain anyways (except of course, Tambora's reviews LOL)

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Poster: ridetheory Date: May 10, 2004 11:40pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Yahoo Posting..


> It's interesting to note
> that in 1969 about a third of GV was protected by the Greenwich
> Village Society for Historic Preservation ( http://www.gvshp.org ),
> and of course GV was the battle ground between Robert Moses
> and unlikely hero Jane Jacobs who fought and won to preseve
> GV after the city had declaired it an ethnic "blight" and scheduled
> its distruction in favor of a freeway.

Man, the more I read about that Robert Moses, the more I learn what a LITTLE MAN he was. Nowadays, New Yorkers and some urban design geeks remember him -- usually with great loathing. What is his legacy? UGLY ROADS!

He worked under Grover Whalen at the 1939 World's Fair, and was the head of the 1964 World's Fair, and I knew if I waited around long enough, somebody would mention something I could use to connect this movie to my pet subject! Hello, I'm James Burke! Welcome to CONNECTIONS!

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Poster: uniQ Date: May 11, 2004 2:09am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Yahoo Posting..

O no, not another Burke Special...

"Henry Roquemore, from 'Bank Alarm' also starred in 'The Crime Patrol' with Herbet Corthell who played the engraver in 'Renfremw of the Royal Mounted'..."

-uniQ